Nick Schifrin:
He makes the same distinction that Lisa was just making that Sondland makes, between vanilla corruption and let's just call it not-so-vanilla corruption.
So the vanilla corruption, if you will, is what the U.S. has been going after for the last five years, right? The Obama administration, the Trump administration, all wanted Ukraine to tackle endemic corruption.
Under the Obama administration, that effort was led by Vice President Biden, but it continued and had the same targets under the Trump administration.
What changed was Rudy Giuliani. This wasn't vanilla. He wanted an investigation into whether Ukraine hacked into the DNC in 2016, which the U.S. intelligence community says is not what happened. And he wanted an investigation into Burisma, this Ukrainian company where Hunter Biden was on the board.
What Volker testified today was that the Ukrainians who were telling Giuliani this, who were kind of whispering into his ear and egging him on, that they were self-serving, that they actually were hoping to appear important and telling Giuliani what he thought they wanted — what he — what they thought he wanted to hear, in order to somehow save their jobs or be seen as useful by the Trump administration.
Volker testified, Vice President Biden wasn't corrupt, that the Ukrainians who worked with him and Hunter Biden were. The Ukrainian corruption, that's what everyone wanted investigated, until Giuliani stepped in.
And it ended up that we had this temporary hold on military aid. And we're investigating this and talking about this right now.
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